User talk:Eozhik
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Community discussion takes place at the MisesWiki Commons, so feel free to post any questions you might have there or on my talk page. Please sign your messages on talk and discussion pages using four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically insert your username and the date. Again, welcome! Nathan Larson (talk) 10:55, 31 October 2013 (MSK)
- Yeah, I never had much of an understanding of dialectics, and unfortunately I don't speak Russian. Nathan Larson (talk) 13:47, 31 October 2013 (MSK)
- Nathan, nobody have much of understanding of dialectics, because this is a kind of sophisticated charlatanianism (see for example, Popper's paper: http://www.vordenker.de/ggphilosophy/popper_what-is-dialectic.pdf). However, at Soviet time marxists used it as a main instrument for forcing out logic, which they called "old-fashioned logic". I expected that there were investigations on this topic, but I can't find them. :( Eozhik (talk) 13:58, 31 October 2013 (MSK)
- I see some stuff about dialectics here, here, here, etc. Did you do a keyword search of mises.org? Mises did address the topic. But I never spent much time studying it, partly because people hardly ever bring the topic up in debate. Nathan Larson (talk) 18:54, 31 October 2013 (MSK)
- Nathan, thank you very much! No, I didn't try to find this at mises.org, I don't know why. I am reading this, thank you again! Eozhik (talk) 09:56, 1 November 2013 (MSK)
- Nathan, I've just read what you suggested. You know, I am afraid, it is not enough for persuading people in Russian Wikipedia that the attempts to replace logic by dialectics in the USSR were connected with the idea of polilogism... Moreover, I faced difficulties in explaining that Marx and Engels were keen of this idea. The counter-evidence was as follows: "since you can't give a quotation where Mises says that what Engels told about dialectics was a result of his polylogism, then you can't mention Engels in this context". I had a hope that maybe somebody else in the Austrian school wrote something on this topic... Do you know? Eozhik (talk) 20:13, 1 November 2013 (MSK)
- Hmm, I found this article which mentions dialectics and polylogism. But I have no idea what it's talking about. Nathan Larson (talk) 23:46, 1 November 2013 (MSK)
- I see some stuff about dialectics here, here, here, etc. Did you do a keyword search of mises.org? Mises did address the topic. But I never spent much time studying it, partly because people hardly ever bring the topic up in debate. Nathan Larson (talk) 18:54, 31 October 2013 (MSK)
- Nathan, nobody have much of understanding of dialectics, because this is a kind of sophisticated charlatanianism (see for example, Popper's paper: http://www.vordenker.de/ggphilosophy/popper_what-is-dialectic.pdf). However, at Soviet time marxists used it as a main instrument for forcing out logic, which they called "old-fashioned logic". I expected that there were investigations on this topic, but I can't find them. :( Eozhik (talk) 13:58, 31 October 2013 (MSK)
