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Extensions and interwiki links

A few questions:

  1. What Wikimedia extensions are installed here?
  2. What types of interwiki links are available for external wiki-linking? Mcornelius 03:59, 12 November 2010 (CST)
The extensions we have right now can be seen at Special:Version: we have categorytree, charinsert, parserfunctions, and cite. If we need more, however, we can ask our developers to install them.
As far as interwiki links go, it looks like we can use the full names of Wikimedia wikis, but not shortcuts. So, wikipedia:Ludwig von Mises or wiktionary:praxeology. For Wikisource, we have to specify the language: wikisource:en:The Law. --Forgottenman (talk) 06:49, 12 November 2010 (CST)


Seems like your rights issue is solved --Jatucker 12:16, 12 November 2010 (CST)

What do you mean? --Forgottenman (talk) 12:24, 12 November 2010 (CST)
I thought your permissions were somehow limited but I see that they are not --Jatucker 16:09, 12 November 2010 (CST)
No, you gave me "bureaucrat" status, which is pretty much the highest available without being a developer. --Forgottenman (talk) 18:57, 12 November 2010 (CST)

Missing Templates

Impressive work on all the background mechanisms, Forgottenman! May I request a few more templates for citing resources, that seem to be necessary for the many articles and parts imported from Wikipedia (e.g. here)? Pestergaines 08:25, 16 November 2010 (CST)

I'll have a look; they would be useful. Hopefully though their existence doesn't encourage more copy / pastes from Wikipedia... we have the opportunity to create articles that have much more detail and a less restrictive license, but if we start with WP text, our article is a derivative work of WP forever. --Forgottenman (talk) 08:42, 16 November 2010 (CST)
Well, we can always start from scratch if needed. :)
Oh, and: big thanks for help with the BookSources! It's a small detail, but very useful when needed! Pestergaines 14:41, 16 November 2010 (CST)
I'm thinking that starting from scratch may be a good idea. I'm not convinced that converting everything into metadata is really that useful. I'll start by adapting Wikiqoute's model of cite journal and we can go from there. --Forgottenman (talk) 14:54, 16 November 2010 (CST)

Full reserve banking has also some template error, as in this; and a video template is required here. That is hopefully all!

On a different topic - do you think it would make sense to start organizing projects in this wiki, or is that premature? Pestergaines 06:15, 17 November 2010 (CST)

I'll try to take a look at those templates later today. Are you talking about Wikiprojects? Setting them up is probably best done by someone interested in the subject and not for its own sake – so I wouldn't suggest creating a wide variety of projects, but if there's a particular subject or type of article that interests you, go for it. Active projects can be great ways for people to get involved; abandoned projects make the place look like a big empty building. --Forgottenman (talk) 09:40, 17 November 2010 (CST)
I've created the MisesWiki:WikiProject Economic History, although the name seems a little unwieldy. Before I start creating more pages, do you think the name and (category) is appropriate, or could we shorten WikiProject to Project? Pestergaines 05:51, 20 November 2010 (CST)
Sounds fine to me. --Forgottenman (talk) 09:32, 22 November 2010 (CST)

Would it be possible to get some CSS added to MediaWiki:Common.css to fix the formatting on Template:Header? I would do it myself but I don't have the required permissions. Anarchei 01:43, 29 November 2010 (CST)

Innovation and original work.

I've already logged in and made a very small edit to the mises wiki: pollution. I'm trained in sustainable development and pollution related problems and solutions. All I've done is add the word soil pollution to the list. Its often overlooked but it is useful because it illustrates the property rights, disclosure aspect, knowledge issues and the issue of people going to the hazard. 

My question is not about pollution, its about charity and new tools like The Point, hopefully you know of that because of Bob Murphy's challenge to Krugman. Both need to be covered but in many cases the ideas of using charitable solutions are very new, particularly using the pledge based strategy in the Point, would they be considered original work? Charity is critical because we often argue that charity can pick up some key externalities or public goods; particularly welfare. However charities are very restricted, often because they compete with government as a solution, [ Marx saw them as the major threat to socialism and Lenin wiped out church based charities in the first months ]. They have cash flow problems often because they are "not for profit" and this restricts their investment and banking options and because of donor fatigue and recipient privacy constraints. There's much stuff on this in the writings but its blurred a bit by Ayn Rand's opposition to religion and charity. [Yes I know she's not an Austrian school but most don't know that.] How do we deal with the newest solutions. I've done some work in this field: Saving the world by burying greens. The catch is that in a wiki sense this is classic "original work" but there are so few of us this could become a largish problem.  What's plan A when your the only Austrian school player writing in a given field? Wesleybruce 00:07, 17 November 2010 (CST)

There are writings around on pretty much any topic, but sometimes one needs to pick and choose a little. A Stub for Charity was created with a few links that could be of use - perhaps that could help out? Pestergaines 05:39, 17 November 2010 (CST)
Regarding "original work," I wouldn't worry about it too much. I doubt that we are going to be as hardheaded about that as Wikipedia is in articles on "new" subjects. The preferred approach might be to build articles based on current work, with references, and then branch off based on that. Thus, Hayek said xyz about charity (he didn't think it had much hope of solving the problem), but his paradigm didn't include new charity options. Or Walter Block and Murry Rothbard say xyz about pollution, but other areas that haven't been looked into are ___.
You might also get in touch with Stephan Kinsella; he runs Libertarian Papers and if you put something together he might be inclined to have it reviewed and published, especially in a new area like this. That way we'd end up with a published, reliable article to cite. --Forgottenman (talk) 07:10, 17 November 2010 (CST)

Mises Bust for Meritorious Editing

MisesBust.jpg Mises Bust for Meritorious Editing
For his numerous and highly clueful edits in the early days of the Mises Wiki, I hereby present this Mises Bust to Forgottenman. DickClarkMises 13:18, 19 November 2010 (CST)
That put a smile on my face. Just awesome; thanks. --Forgottenman (talk) 13:20, 19 November 2010 (CST)

The 'Anniversaries' project

Hey, Forgot, a question: With all the unfinished anniversary pages, might you be able to create a little "Project Page" (like the "Economic History" project) that gives us a few guidelines about what to put where? I was wondering because the anniversary dates show up as top-ranked in the Most wanted pages list and it might be helpful for us folks to know how to add things. Thanks in advance! -- RayBirks 14:32, 27 November 2010 (CST)

I've added instructions to MisesWiki:Anniversaries. --Forgottenman (talk) 16:04, 27 November 2010 (CST)
Yes, noticed almost right away. Thanks! -- RayBirks 18:16, 27 November 2010 (CST) Wondering now about:

The concept of "Projects"

Our only official "project" to date is the Economic history project. Do these four pages qualify as "projects" worthy of the category "WikiProjects" ?

They all have "project page" as their first tab, yet I don't see any code inside the Economic History project page that makes it unique to be a special project. Seems these four may also be special cases needing focus, building, expansion, explanations, etc. Am not pushing hard for these necessarily. I am just looking to see if these deserve the designation. Thanks for your thoughts as time permits. Maybe we can discuss this in our soon-to-be-developed forum!  :) If this is too much for your talk page, I could move to the Google mailing list, if you like. -- RayBirks 18:16, 27 November 2010 (CST)

On Wikipedia at least the Wikiprojects are primarily for content creation or specific maintenance tasks. My preference would be to continue in that tradition; the other pages you mention seem different from that. "Anniversaries" would be closest, I think, to being an actual Wikiproject, but the thing is that it really isn't a project that will need a lot of maintenance once it is set up (though that will take at least several months). I'd say put it on the Community portal to draw attention to it, but I wouldn't call it a wikiproject. --Forgottenman (talk) 19:55, 27 November 2010 (CST)
'k. -- RayBirks 21:03, 27 November 2010 (CST)

Placement of stub tags

The stubs category page had suggested including the tag at either the beginning or the end of the article. As I see you moving them to the end of various pages, shall we change the instruction as well? Thanks for all your good works. -- RayBirks 11:09, 29 November 2010 (CST)

Thanks, I didn't realize it said that. If anyone disagrees with my edit comment in my edit to that page, I'm happy to discuss it. --Forgottenman (talk) 11:19, 29 November 2010 (CST)


Hello Can i write in spanish my contributions, changes and wikis?

thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 09:15, 3 January 2011 (talkcontribs) Arenas

Hola Arenas: Es posible que vaya a ser un Mises Wiki en español en el futuro, si hay interés. Pero en este momento hay solamente un Mises Wiki en inglés. Si quieres contribuir, sugiero que agregues contribuciones en español en las páginas de "Talk," y yo puedo traducirlas y añadir el texto al artículo. Por ejémplo, si quieres crear un artículo llamado Vicente Fox, añadir tu contribución en Talk:Vicente Fox y avísame. Dime si tienes otras preguntas; ayudarte es un placer.
Hi Arenas: It's possible that in the future there will be a Mises Wiki in Spanish, if there's enough interest. But for now there is only a Mises Wiki in English. If you would like to contribute, I suggest that you add Spanish text to Talk pages, and I can translate them and add the text to the article. For example, if you want to create an article called Vicente Fox, add your text to Talk:Vicente Fox and let me know. If you have other questions let me know; I'm glad to help. --Forgottenman (talk) 09:40, 3 January 2011 (CST)

Don't remove

See --Reserved 12:26, 6 January 2011 (CST)

Ah, if that's what you're referring to then let's create a page and link to it. Putting a red link on a page meant to guide new folks is counterintuitive. --Forgottenman (talk) 12:35, 6 January 2011 (CST)
Is only an open idea. When you think, it's practicable, then create it, please. --Reserved 12:38, 6 January 2011 (CST)
I rather doubt it's practicable, but others think so, so I've put it at MisesWiki:Most wanted. --Forgottenman (talk) 12:55, 6 January 2011 (CST)
I don't know, too. But a test is no risk. --Reserved 13:21, 6 January 2011 (CST)


I see from above you are the goto guy for requesting templates :) Might I ask for the '''{{reflist|2}}''' one to be activated? It will allow for a far tidier article layout. Thanks Mark 14:00, 7 January 2011 (CST)

I just worked on it a bit but it doesn't appear to be working yet; I'll need to do more research to figure it out. --Forgottenman (talk) 14:20, 7 January 2011 (CST)
Thank you very much :) Mark 14:25, 7 January 2011 (CST)

Thank you for doing the reflist|2 template, I have another request, would it be possible to get the {{refbegin|2}} and {{refend)) done also? unsigned comment by Mark (talk) 11:42, 11 January 2011.

I've set up the framework, but I'm not familiar with these templates and so I don't know if they are working right now or not. I'll research them later and see what I can find, and write some documentation as well. --Forgottenman (talk) 11:08, 11 January 2011 (CST)
Thanks. I have tried it out here Fighting Communist Organizations if you look t othe article`s end you will see that any section below the templates (In this case further reading) appears to get squished up? Mark 11:19, 11 January 2011 (CST)
Thank you for setting up the template, there is one further issue with it however, </dl> is showing at the end of the references section? Any idea as to why? Mark 10:44, 28 January 2011 (CST)
Odd. Somehow on Wikipedia that dangling </dl> is hidden. Those five characters are only needed if {{refbegin}} uses the "indent" parameter, so I've made them hide unless {{refend}} also uses the indent parameter. --Forgottenman (talk) 11:14, 28 January 2011 (CST)
Excellent, thank you. Mark 13:41, 28 January 2011 (CST)


Well edit, but you don't need to make a bow to one person. Tucker said it, I copied it.

The hope that this wiki can eventually come to replace major sections of mises org, is also from him. --Reserved 11:15, 11 January 2011 (CST)

You are the one who introduced the language that the Mises Institute "rules" this wiki; my edit provided support for that claim. --Forgottenman (talk) 11:33, 11 January 2011 (CST)
My language is influenced by my troublesomeness to think in English as German. Mr. Tucker may edit this article himself to advance the site (without to quote himself). We are no footmen. --Reserved 11:50, 11 January 2011 (CST)

More on sub-categories

I have created a new sub-category of "History of the Soviet Union". When you have a moment, please take a look to see if it is set up properly. You can find it by way of Felix Dzerzhinsky. Thx. :) -- RayBirks 19:54, 28 January 2011 (CST)

Renaming a page via 'Move'

When offline I recalled the "move" concept. Found the short explanation in the 'Help' FAQ. Have never 'moved' a page before, that I can recall. Would that have worked recently on the original misnaming of the History of the Soviet Union category as well? I am guessing all live links to the moving page are automatically changed as well, yes? TIA. -- RayBirks 13:54, 30 January 2011 (CST)

Unfortunately no, categories can't be "moved" like articles can. To rename a category, we have to create a category with the new name, manually move all pages in the old category to the new category, and delete the old category. Right now we don't have many categories with a lot of articles in them, so this is an easy process. In the future, we can use a bot to make the change easier to complete. Regarding Category:History of the Soviet Union, you did it correctly: put {{delete}} on the category with the wrong name, so that an admin would know to delete it. --Forgottenman (talk) 14:22, 30 January 2011 (CST)

Mike Shedlock vanity?

Mike Shedlock Is an article about a person sourced entirely to that persons blog suitable for this wiki? It seems to be just a vanity piece to me. Mark 10:25, 2 February 2011 (CST)

I think it's okay: the guy seems to be a fairly established writer (even writing occasionally for So while yes it would be nice to get better sources, I'm not uncomfortable with letting it stay until then. --Forgottenman (talk) 06:45, 3 February 2011 (CST)
Added some more links to make it a little more balanced (Murphy/Faber criticism of Mish). Some are Mises links, which look kind of weird under external links. Is there a special convention for Mises links? Daniel Hewitt 08:34, 3 February 2011 (CST)
Our "convention" is to just call that section "Links" rather than "External links," and put links there as well. --Forgottenman (talk) 08:43, 3 February 2011 (CST)
I think his blog is suitable for citing his political opinions, and I'm sure there will be other sources when the article grows. I'll keep this in mind if I ever extend the article. And, yes, he is pretty established; he has 40k+ readers according to Feedburner, has appeared on shows like Yahoo's Tech Ticker and his blog is listed as #2 at EconDirectory's list of popular economics blogs/websites. BTW: links ARE external links (but I'll use the new convention from now) Ddnixx 09:57, 3 February 2011 (CST)

Blocking users and IPs

Hallo there, I blocked the accounts of two spammers and noticed this option among those available - "Automatically block the last IP address used by this user, and any subsequent IP addresses they try to edit from". Do you think it is reasonable to use it, given that IP addresses of users tend to change? Pestergaines 02:55, 8 February 2011 (CST)

Yes, using that option is generally a good idea. The main benefit is that it prevents a user from logging out and being able to edit anonymously. It's not foolproof for dynamic IPs, but it helps. --Forgottenman (talk) 07:50, 8 February 2011 (CST)
I worry, that with a dynamic IP could the ban hit somebody else. Pestergaines 08:29, 8 February 2011 (CST)
That is possible. I think it's highly unlikely since we don't have very many users right now, but it is a valid concern. Eventually we'll want to install more sophisticated anti-vandalism tools that will make it possible to check user IP addresses, which will help us be able to tell if a vandal is using a dynamic IP or not, or if a block is hitting people it wasn't intended to hit. --Forgottenman (talk) 09:58, 8 February 2011 (CST)

The spammers certainly seem to proliferate... is there any possibility to make it for them more difficult, say, introduce a (better) Captcha during registration? Pestergaines 02:40, 19 March 2011 (CDT)

I don't think a more difficult captcha will do much, but there are ways to block open proxies. I'll research this soon and send an email out to the list. --Forgottenman (talk) 08:54, 21 March 2011 (CDT)
Well, I guess it must be true - if a website isn't noticed by spammers it's as if it wouldn't exist. :) Pestergaines 04:54, 24 March 2011 (CDT)

Speaking of spammers, is there anyway to delete a page one put up (I just deleted the content but that did not do the trick)? If I am lacking privileges thats understandable of course. --Huckelberry 10:13, 31 March 2011 (MSD)

Best thing to do is put {{delete}} on it; this way administrators can easily find such articles and delete them. --Forgottenman (talk) 16:04, 31 March 2011 (MSD)

New thought: would it be possible and reasonable to, say, prevent users from creating a new page unless they for example add some content to their user page? Knowing more about people is nice, but that's secondary to making sure they are not spammers. Since the primary attack vector is registering a brand new user and creating a new page, this measure might derail them (at least for a while, dammit). On the other hand, I definitely don't want to discourage anyone from contributing to the wiki. What do you think? Pestergaines 14:49, 24 April 2011 (MSD)

Off the top of my head I don't think this is possible. It is possible to prevent users from creating a page if they have never edited a page, but I'm not sure that that is a good idea, because it might encourage spammers to edit existing pages (changes to which might be harder to find). There are other options as well that I haven't had the time to explore yet. --Forgottenman (talk) 22:49, 25 April 2011 (MSD)
Ah well, it was worth a thought. Pestergaines 13:21, 27 April 2011 (MSD)

FYI: a user has just spammed her own Talk page. At least they change it around, right? :| Pestergaines 15:00, 13 May 2011 (MSD)

Just noticed... there IS one thing, that all the spam pages have in common: all contain a direct link to Wikipedia's main English page at the end.

While it does feel cruel, how about blocking the creation of all pages with this specific link? (Obviously, allowing all other WP links.) Maybe it will work, at least for a while. Pestergaines 18:29, 30 May 2011 (MSD)

Good observation. I'm not sure if it will be possible to block the main page without blocking articles, but it's worth a look. I'm working on figuring out what method will be the most likely to succeed while requiring the least amount of work... hopefully we'll have something soon. --Forgottenman (talk) 01:30, 31 May 2011 (MSD)
What's the story with the captcha account creation? Is it just not up to snuff? --John James 10:41, 31 May 2011 (MSD)
It seems that there are some pretty good image-recognition algorithms out there. They don't work all the time with the captchas, but as long as they work some of the time, they are very usable by spammers. So it's more of a hurdle than an unavoidable barrier. Pestergaines 16:35, 4 July 2011 (MSD)

Another thought on the side: surely we can delete users, that were inactive for some time and never edited anything (at least anything that would survive). Most of the spam accounts are just placeholders that are never used. How about deleting them after, say, three months? Pestergaines 16:35, 4 July 2011 (MSD)

I proposed this weeks ago and even provided a relatively easy way to do it, but of course never got a response. --John James 02:12, 5 July 2011 (MSD)

Could it be that the issues plaguing the wiki have scared away all the spammers? :) Pestergaines 15:22, 21 July 2011 (MSD)

Perhaps :) Or maybe the anti-spam tools are encouraging them to pursue more productive lines of work (one can hope). --Forgottenman (talk) 15:59, 21 July 2011 (MSD)

Barnstar of Reversion2.png The Anti-Vandalism Barnstar
For his ceaseless vigilance in removing spam, Forgottenman is awarded the Anti-Vandalism Barnstar! Pestergaines 11:46, 28 July 2011 (MSD)

Declaration of Independence

I followed the page doesn't exist link from the "This week in History" entry on the Declaration of Independence. Looks like that has been updated to reflect the existing page. Thanks. Draukadin 14:27, 25 March 2011 (CDT)

Responded at User talk:Draukadin

broken code on template

I noticed the code on Template:Wikipedia text is not written properly. If an article is entered in the proper syntax of the template as shown on the page, it returns a messed up line of links. I don't have time to figure out where the bug is now, but I figured I'd let you know since you were the last editor and you might have an easier time fixing it anyway. --John James 03:31, 9 April 2011 (MSD)


I was trying to get the image to work on the infobox template and couldn't figure it out. Related, I couldn't find the software name that wiki.mises runs. I was looking assuming I could find acceptable values for the attributes I was playing with.

Thx Subsidiarity 02:10, 26 April 2011 (MSD)

In related news, the Infobox seems to be broken now in all countries. Is there some easy way to fix this, do we have to go back to the previous version, or is a mass edit needed? Pestergaines 20:24, 5 May 2011 (MSD)

Yes, I see... probably reverting for now would be best; it's possible that it's relying on a more complex version of CSS files. --Forgottenman (talk) 22:40, 5 May 2011 (MSD)
Alright, it shall be an undo. I'll give it a try. Pestergaines 12:47, 6 May 2011 (MSD)
Worked like a charm, at least for the countries - but now are two book pages broken (The Theory of Money and Credit and Principles of Economics), where the new template (via Template:Infobox book) shined. Maybe we can introduce the new version under a different name, to keep the new features? Pestergaines 13:24, 6 May 2011 (MSD)


Hallo Forgottenman,

on occasion of this (semi-)anniversary I wanted to personally thank you for all the great work you have done on this wiki. From highly technical edits, through those many minor additions, that few want to make but that are so important in making the site a more professional (and functional!) place, up to dealing with users in an enviably even and mature way, you have shown yourself to be the true administrator of the Mises Wiki. Allow me to present a small badge of recognition and express a strong hope to cooperate with you on many more wiki pages.

Mises Wiki logo small.png This user is an Administrator of the Mises Wiki.

Have a great day,
Pestergaines 20:24, 5 May 2011 (MSD)

Thanks! =) It's been a fun six months. Hopefully we can get these spammers under control so we can focus on the fun stuff. --Forgottenman (talk) 22:40, 5 May 2011 (MSD)
I hope so too - perhaps the updates we talked about will improve things! Pestergaines 12:47, 6 May 2011 (MSD)

Blocking yourself?

Is everything okay? --John James 21:37, 20 May 2011 (MSD)

Not sure how I did that! =) All fixed now. --Forgottenman (talk) 22:10, 20 May 2011 (MSD)

I wasn't sure what would happen in that situation...didn't know if you needed another admin to perform an unblock. --John James 12:06, 21 May 2011 (MSD)

No, it's always possible for an admin to unblock himself. The only way to stop a rogue admin is to de-admin him, and for that you need a bureaucrat. --Forgottenman (talk) 17:54, 21 May 2011 (MSD)

Country migration

Hello, can you please use a bot to migrate all countries, so they use the {{Infobox Country}} template instead of {{Infobox}}? Only one page (Ireland) is adapted to the new version of the template so far, the rest is basically broken. Until the migration process is finished, we can at least avoid the ugliness. Pestergaines 23:40, 22 May 2011 (MSD)

Ireland has a working infobox because it uses {{Infobox islands}}, and not a "country" one. As for regular countries, it would be preferable to migrate to the one that already exists, which is more flexible and advanced...although I'm not sure how well a bot could handle that migration, as the data fields may be too different from the old infobox template. If anyone feels like doing code work, it would be nice if the original country infobox could be debugged. The template itself seems to work fine on most countries, but the documentation on the template page includes some kind of syntax or function that screws up the page. Check out United States to see the template in action. --John James 00:03, 23 May 2011 (MSD)
Okay - so when can be new template(s) and the migration to them completed? If it is within a few days, then let's have it; if not, a bot will provide a quick fix, so we can avoid the broken look and missing data. Pestergaines 00:23, 23 May 2011 (MSD)
I'm not sure what you're asking. What is the "broken look" you're talking about? Could you provide a link to an example? --John James 01:21, 23 May 2011 (MSD)
Egypt uses Template:Infobox and nothing appears (except a little gray line in Chrome). It would be helpful but not necessary if parameters in {{Infobox}} were the same or similar as those in the destination infobox. We do need to figure out something to fix all these broken pages. --Forgottenman (talk) 04:14, 23 May 2011 (MSD)
Okay so there isn't a "broken look", he just means the infobox doesn't, as if there weren't an infobox there yet. I'm not really sure why that is problem, let alone such an urgent issue. And I certainly don't see how simply not showing an infobox equates to "ugliness". If I'm not mistaken most of the 720 articles on here don't have infoboxes yet. I could understand if it made the page load funny or crowded the whole section with error messages, but it's basically as if there just isn't an infobox yet. I certainly wouldn't refer to this as "broken pages".
The way I see it they were all going to have to get redone anyway. The info included is minimal and mostly outdated. And to be honest, that bare-bones look with disproportionate and disaligned formatting actually detracted from the page in my opinion. I don't see what's wrong with simply updating each page with a new infobox just as we would with any other edit. --John James 12:23, 23 May 2011 (MSD)
I have answered on your Talk page for clarification. I'll also open a new section in the Commons to open a discussion about what should be part of the new infobox. Pestergaines 15:42, 23 May 2011 (MSD)
John, it's a big step (because it implies worthlessness) to delete content, which is essentially what the infobox changes have resulted in. There wasn't any discussion regarding this "deletion", so unless we develop a consensus that the content is worthless, my position is that we need to bring the content back and improve it. --Forgottenman (talk) 16:03, 23 May 2011 (MSD)
First, apologies, as I didn't realize that so many countries already had pages and were using that same box structure. (I now assume they were just migrated over from Pester's old wiki.) Suggestions posed at the Commons. --John James 17:53, 23 May 2011 (MSD)

So I've got myself my own bot, experimented around and fixed Libya. Is it okay if I set the bot flag for the account (Pesterbot) or should we stick to one 'official' bot - namely Forgottenbot? It takes time to learn it, not to speak of the installation process, so I wouldn't mind somebody more qualified to do it. :)

Changes that need to be done:

  • 'The World Facebook' -> 'The World Factbook' on all country pages
  • '==External links==' -> '==Links==' on all pages where still present
  • '{{Infobox' -> '{{Infobox Country' on countries without the 'new' template

Pestergaines 02:02, 21 June 2011 (MSD)

Looks good to me! Better to have multiple bots around anyway. Go ahead and tag yours. --Forgottenman (talk) 02:08, 21 June 2011 (MSD)
And it is done. All praise AutoWikiBrowser! Pestergaines 01:34, 22 June 2011 (MSD)

couple things

So...I guess the navbox thing is fixed? Never heard back on that.

And any word on images? I posted a message in the google group last week and still haven't gotten a response. I noticed you added a new image and it has the same issue. --John James 02:18, 2 June 2011 (MSD)

I haven't done anything with navbox class yet... still need to address it.
I think the image issue is relatively complex. That's next on my list of things to research. Once thumbnails are fixed we can perhaps see about pulling images from Commons. --Forgottenman (talk) 03:02, 2 June 2011 (MSD)

Does the navbox still look broken? Do you have an example of what it should look like? --John James 03:12, 2 June 2011 (MSD)

Deleting users

Another thought on the side: surely we can delete users, that were inactive for some time and never edited anything (at least anything that would survive). Most of the spam accounts are just placeholders that are never used. How about deleting them after, say, three months? Pestergaines 16:35, 4 July 2011 (MSD)

I proposed this weeks ago and even provided a relatively easy way to do it, but of course never got a response. --John James 02:12, 5 July 2011 (MSD)
I didn't consider this something to be particularly worried about, especially since it would take additional effort to merge and delete all these accounts. If we want that extension we can push for it, but I'm more concerned about things like the images issue. I'm hoping that this week I get a chance to ask mediawiki folks about that issue in particular. --Forgottenman (talk) 04:10, 5 July 2011 (MSD)

Your welcoming of a new account user.

Thank you.  :) an.fear.glas 00:53, 9 August 2011 (MSD)

More spam

Hi there,

is it possible to disallow edits containing, say, a specific link? There is a certain divorce lawyer in Dallas that juuuuust keeps returning... Pestergaines 12:09, 2 November 2011 (MSK)

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Hi, can you please fill me in on what the Page: and Index: namespaces were intended for? Thanks. Nathan Larson (talk) 08:43, 15 November 2012 (MSK)

Question concerning: File:Im Namen des Staates, Manuscript.pdf

Hello Forgottenman,

I am a Wikipedian from Germany (with a general account, not a special one for the Mises Wiki, which obviously is not synchronized). Pleases allow me, nevertheless, the following question about your entry from April 27, 2011, File:Im Namen des Staates, Manuscript.pdf

This typescripte lacks of the pages 248 to 291, the pdf goes from pdf-page 288 to 289 equal to manuscript-page 247 to 292. This obviously ist chapter 7, which is crossed in the table of contents, pdf-page 36. My questions: Waht happend to the missing pages? Where are they? Who has, who owns them?

Any idea? Please let me know. My Wikipedia-name ist Faktorei, my email is

Thank you!